By Trungpa, Rinpoche Chogyam
"transcript of talks given through Chogyam Trungpa, Rinpoche on the fourth Vajradhatu Seminary, a twelve-week interval of extensive meditation and examine, held at Land O'Lakes, Wisconsin September-November 1976"
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When you try to be part of the woken-up people, so to speak, then you begin to realize there is no problem of this and that, of which camp you belong to, whether you are theistic or nontheistic. You begin to feel there is definitely some sense of strength, some sense of reality taking place which is very perfect and very ordinary at the same time. That is why the notion of taking the refuge vow becomes very important to the student of buddhism. There is some kind of magical power associated with wakefulness which can be reflected into you-but if you don't take up the notion of wakefulness, you don't get it.
R: Well, you're not a Christian. " Q: In last year's seminary, you described the four obstacles to the path as eternity, pleasure seeking, sense of ego and ego fixation. Tonight your presentation was a little different. I don't know if it is the same thing you're talking about. R: I think it's the same thing. Q: The son of God: is that related to eternity or pleasure seeking? Q: R: Eternity. Q: The devil of skandhas-what is that? Pleasure seeking? I don't understand. R: That's spiritual materialism, pleasure seeking.
Q: R: Yes, that's it. Q: This is sort of like asking the question about the chicken and the egg, but at the hinayana level, which comes first-the Buddha or the dharma? R: In hinayana, dharma comes first. Actually it is the same with a lot of buddhist disciplines. When you set up a shrine, you never put a statue on top of a book. Well, would you ever put a book on top of a statue? R: You always would. Q: So dharma is first. But in the hinayana sense, dharma seems much more to have the sense of teaching rather than dharma being things as they are, at least at face value.
1976 Seminary Transcripts: Hinayana - Mahayana by Trungpa, Rinpoche Chogyam